I believe I’m absolutely a part of the solution. Before jsp, scamming was rampant on bnet.
On jsp if you scam, there are ramifications.
Jsp has been mostly good for D2’s success, though definitely it has its downsides.
If in 2021 you’re still complaining about RMT in video games, I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve never spent money on items for any game, but I don’t really care anymore.
Yes people will be able to get an enigma within a week and I’ll likely make my own after a few months, who cares.
Thanks for confirming that you do in fact use JSP for cheating.
Being against the use of bots is so far from virtue signaling you’re basically painting me as a political opponent because you have no ground to stand on.
If JSP didn’t use bots to flood the economy and if they didn’t have a way to convert real money into tokens I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but they do.
What you’re not understanding is that when it comes to legalities, greater definitions of words apply. When they say “forbids sale” it means for real world currency. Technically, nothing can be “sold” unless someone is receiving real world currency for it.
In other words, the word “sell” is being used incorrectly if you were to say: “I am selling a used bike for in-game gold from my brother’s account.” This would still fall under trading or bartering with someone, not selling by legal definition. Or the world “buy” is being used incorrectly if you were to say: “I bought a stereo from my uncle and I am paying him by working at his house on weekends to clean his yard.” This is still trading and bartering or exchange of service.
To “buy” or “sell” something or to list it “for sale”, cannot happen unless real world currency is being used. So when d2jsp users are trading things for forum gold, by legal definition, it falls under trading or bartering, not buying or selling.
That’s why d2jsp is able to do what it does. Someone had posted a video of a lawyer explaining this on a youtube video about d2jsp actually, but I am not going to take the time to try and dig it up.
Yes it is, because players pay Pikachu to get fg first, which is actually still entirely owned by Pikachu and the players don’t technically have a right to the fg if Pikachu wanted to take it away from them. So in this light they are paying for a service that someone else is providing. And then they are able to use that service as a platform of trading between games. ← This falls under the idea of paying for a service before it would ever fall under paying for items. And forum gold is definitely not a real world currency. People who use it are bartering and trading with fg.
Whereas with buy-sites, people are just straight up using debit cards “real world currency” to buy in-game items directly from people who are playing the game and stock piling in-game gear to sell. ← This is in direct violation of the TOS.
Also, fg is accessible to obtain without ever spending real world currency on it. You can just farm Mephisto for a week, trade everything you find on d2jsp, and get your first bit of fg to work with that way. If you are a wise trader, you should be making fg, not losing it. You’ll never need to spend a dime of real world currency.
Btw I am not looking to argue with you. You can have w/e point of view you want on the topic. I was just explaining to you why d2jsp is legally getting away with what it does.
Just because they use a scumbag legal loophole to avoid getting shut down doesn’t make a user of JSP any less of a scumbag for supporting it.
In practice it’s even worse than other trading sites since they are responsible for most of the bots on old bnet.
Farming some low tier items from Mephisto and then trading those items for something farmed by a bot makes that person a cheater and a scumbag for supporting bots.
I stopped using Twitter when I found out they don’t ban known terrorist accounts. I deleted my facebook account back in 2013. But that isn’t the point, because Twitter themselves don’t hire terrorists to commit terrorist acts.
JSP on the other hand hires coders to write bots.
How can you take a stance against botting when most of the items you “trade” for on JSP were farmed by bots?
This is current tense and you’ve used it regularly now. Cite your sources.
I haven’t traded for d2 items on jsp in nearly 15 years, so this must be the royal ‘you’. But even if I did, I could still be against bots and unknowingly trade for a botted item.
Guess what? We’ll both likely do this if we trade in d2r.
Do an internet search on: Logical Fallacy Guilt By Association
When you allow yourself to do this, you open the doors for people to control your decisions with it. Like right now, you are hot & quick to label ALL d2jsp users as some kind of gamer terrorists who are plotting to destroy the economies of all games, which is an insanely ridiculous claim based on anecdotal tales you’ve heard, that you and I both know, you haven’t even the beginnings of any evidence to support such an idea.
We both know that you saying that, is just an easy thing to do, in hopes that others believe it and don’t use d2jsp, because you’d rather other people did in-game trading only.
I can’t post links here, but the bot written by njaguar is still being updated and used today. it was even called d2jsp.
That’s interesting because the bot they originally wrote was first introduced around 15 years ago.
Careful of logical fallacies.
Do an internet search on: Logical Fallacy Hasty Generalization
The only thing I said was that all d2jsp users are cheaters and they support botting, no plots to destroy economies in all games. What I said specifically is that the site owners have destroyed the economy in Diablo 2. And there is mountains of evidence for it, even a quick google search shows you how engorged they are in botting, even naming their flagship product after their own site. And yes, njaguar did receive payment for his work.
Nothing I’ve said in this thread is false. But as usual the cheaters on JSP try to spin the story in any way they can to paint themselves as innocent.
They could not. Animation speed was linked to frames. In a frame-based engine you cannot simply speed up a process by half a frame.
And even if you could that would have been harder to balance. With break points you can easily switch one without changing the others.
Yes, a legal reason.
You mean the golden years of botting?
Yeah, great years for jsp indeed.
First of all: “Hasty Generalization” is being used incorrectly. It means this: Hasty generalization, also known as “faulty generalization”, is a logical fallacy in which someone generalizes from a too-small sample size . The conclusion of the argument is made hastily without looking at more reliable statistics which would enable the arguer to make a more accurate judgment about the situation or issue. I am person who has been using d2jsp for about a decade and a half. I am certainly not the one who is making a “Hasty Generalization”. I know the d2jsp community well. If anyone is making a “Hasty Generalization” it’s you, a person who is creating association by guilt vs. all d2jsp users, in light of Pikachu’s individual history working with bots.
No one has destroyed the economy in Diablo 2. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Diablo 2 is amongst one of the top games ever, for how strong its economy has remained for 20 years. I’m not going to argue with you about opinions and assumptions on this. Diablo 2’s economy has historically been one of the strongest game economies ever to date, for obvious reasons. In fact, to your complete surprise if you were to do a bit of research, you can credit the strength of that economy to d2jsp and buy-site actions inflating the worth of electronical items. Different take on things eh? I’m not saying it’s right or wrong here. I’m just pointing out what’s kept the game alive for 20 years.
And then there at the end you pull another “Hasty Generalization” yourself, by saying: “But as usual the cheaters on JSP try to spin the story in any way they can to paint themselves as innocent.” As if all d2jsp users are in on some kind of a conspiracy. Dude, 90% of the users there are just there for fast trades.
I don’t get how botters affected players? Many JSP users did not bot, they were legit players or they used their real money to get FG in order to grab items. What is the problem here…? Trading in public games SUCKED and took FOREVER. We’re not talking about trading a zod for a cham, when you have really high end gear you only had one option, finding people to trade on forums. I participated on many D2 forums and JSP gave traders by far the most visibility and access to the best items found on D2. I still don’t get what botters have anything to do with how great the game was. You can easily have your own clan of friends and never have to interact with JSP or public traders if you don’t want to. And if there wasn’t rampant botting, how would that have improved the gameplay for everyone else? Quite a silly comment.
So you’re saying that if your dad was smuggling booze in the prohibition days and breaking the law, that it would be necessary to arrest your entire family and charge everyone including you with the same crime charges because it is very necessary to do this.
That’s duping dude. That has nothing to do with forum gold. You don’t have to be a d2jsp user to use a dupe method. In fact, all the serious duping is done from buy-sites my man.