That makes sense. They’ve had 2 years optimize their botting strategies, and I guess they are forced to do that since they have a short window to make money at the start of ladder. If I was a botter I would do that too.
Well if you’re going to do anything eventually you might want to at least try to make it easier/faster/less work/more efficient. Right? Now maybe it isn’t possible, but in this case their biggest source of downtime and biggest portion of profitability was early ladder or just after a ban wave right? So to speed things up they figured it out and honestly just how effective it is has made their ability soar past where they used to be. Imagine 1000’s of bots getting off the ground the very second ladder drops, with no effort other than you telling them to start. Imagine them working together to mule your items and to create PX games and gear each other up. You take it from being a full time job in some cases to get bots online, to now almost no effort is involved other than the sales portion. Not only that, but they start farming within 8 hours. Before you’d be lucky to get 7 bots running by 24 hours if you were doing it solo. You just get such a head start.
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Well I can’t argue with somebody who is an expert in botting, like yourself. I don’t know if your claims are true or not, because I don’t spend time learning up to date cheating mechanics. But you seem to have a vast knowledge of cheating.
Either way, the cheating communities truly must be thankful to have your dissertations here. Lucky to have someone who’s just passionate about debunking dupes, and always shifting blame to bots. Surely no agenda there at all.
You’ve already been proven wrong once when you said there has never been dupes in D2R. There were dupes. But the most glaring issue here is your passion in disputing dupes. I mean if I knew a secret way to dupe, and I made a living off that, I might be feverishly typing away dissertations here trying to debunk the theory myself. Just sayin.
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If I were a duper. I’d be far too busy collecting RMT users money rather than posting here with someone as simple as you.
Not only that but me refuting your stupidity will have zero effect on blizz looking for dupers or patching a dupe method as you seem to pretend like that is some sort of sway. Even if you were to post on facebook or twitter and have a billion followers it wouldn’t change the fact that the increase in items is due to better botting methods rather than a dupe.
You mean the method where the item couldn’t leave the first game it was in? The one that resulted in a 100% poof rate? But all of a sudden we can have 100’s of tal’s armors that are duped as you say, but they don’t poof? So, not only did they get better at duping because now they can dupe a full character, but they’ve hacked the blizzard servers to change their item ID to prevent clashing?
Meanwhile you think anyone in the know of anything who was making money would be here refuting your stupidity when ladder is going on? This is the time to be making sales. Again you jump to conclusions for things you don’t understand. I just like pointing out how dumb you are and will continue to be because you’re content with your stupidity.
Yes because keeping a dupe method secret isn’t important at all to making money off of it. Lol
Whatever buddy.
Anyway, I’m not suggesting that duping is happening. I’m saying that there are some suspect dynamics here. I can’t argue with your advanced knowledge cheating. But your rude and impassioned defenses against people thinking duping might be happen are also odd.
Someone who is an expert on up-to-date mechanics of cheating, spending days at a time defending against the idea that dupes exist. Every time the idea comes up.
Nothing to see here.
Ah i was thinking about this to be the case. Thanks for confirming that. I had suspicion that counter wasnt reseted between ladders.
Nah I just mean imagine duping or botting. Just pretend. If right now you could have access to unlimited HR’s or botted materials right? Where a high rune atm is like 30 bucks or something. Haven’t checked the site, but lets pretend. Why TF would you ever be here contesting something, that the game company will never really contest, when you could be making sales. It isn’t like if 1000 botters came here right now, and started posting “Hey, we’re not botting, we have 100’s of tal armors, but we’re just really good” like anywould would believe them. Meanwhile spending the time here to refute anything could be spent making money.
I’m also not entirely suggesting that nobody is duping or that there couldn’t be a method out there. My point was that every post that people indicate is a “duper” is most clearly always a botter. If dupers were out here you’d see a ton more runeword trades, items with socketed GG jewels. Those are the items that don’t clash once socketed. You’d also see the rune rate fall at a much higher pace than that of shako/tal armor etc, which simply isn’t the case. Also you’d have reports of runes poofing. Which isn’t happening.
Overall though it is possible a dupe exists, even now, or even undiscovered. But the market, trade posts, and prices all indicate that for the most part that isn’t the case.
On the note to my rudeness. I’m only rude to those are confident in their stupidity. You’re content to make multiple assumptions based off very limited information and claim them as facts.
Not an expert. Not even super up to date. But yes, I do get some info. The old duping mechanics were known. If you were trading back in the day and didn’t know them you had to enjoy your items poofing. I have little to no knowledge of the cheating players. MH or PvP cheats I know almost nothing about because the people I talk with were never into that sort of thing. As for the new botters, they do advertise even on proper trading discords and I find no harm in seeing what they’re up to. Though apparently blizz is too cheap/greedy to stop them considering how easy it is to join one of their many discords. Maybe you’re not a curious person I have no idea, but you’re for sure content with being an idiot or one who posts conclusions about things they don’t’ know about.
I will credit you this. There certainly could be a dupe right now. Or one in the future. Probably MANY exist and are unknown. The conclusion I came to was based off knowing that bots are more efficient nowadays, and how duping mechanics work and knowing what you’d see if they were at play. Those conclusions were based off having a knowledge base that was different and much more accurate than yours though.
Why do you care? Why does what other people have, have a negative impact on your gameplay experience?
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In a competitive trading market, it matters if people cheat. This is why it’s illegal to trade on insider information in the stock market. It’s the same dynamic here, only instead of money it’s in-game wealth. Having a level playing field in such a competition is important.
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Yes, It impacts the value of tradable items. half this game is market value
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… are you really that ignorant?
no what other people haven’t doesn’t affect me much… granted it can cause minor issues but nothing major.
the big issue here isn’t the dupes or botting themselves… its the lobby spam.
that the sell sites do AFTER the dupe and bot to “sell” the items
being able to talk to people in the lobby, help people out… make friends. form a community… make your own chat channels… all of that is gone because the sell site spammers ruin chat lobby.
dont belive thats the issue?
go check how popular “path of diablo” is compared to “project diablo 2”.
green removed chat lobby for ONE season… and lost about 75% of his playerbase, everyone went to pd2.
I didn’t becuase i think the pd2 dev is a jerk and im not going to touch something he made… but i also dont play POD anymore either.
chat lobby is absolutely essential to forming a helpful community making friends, helping others, getting help, trading, giving tips, advise.
d2:R allows spam bots to run the lobby and doesn’t allow us to block them.
doesn’t matter how much they improve the game… i dont plan on coming back until i can have some basic communication
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I get your point that you don’t like the lobby spam, but I will counter.
- You could just ignore it.
- Even if the lobby spam wasn’t there it is so poorly designed you still wouldn’t use lobby chat.
Chat lobby was so crucial on bnet 1.0. But this dogwater company has no idea how much it was. It wasn’t just Diablo either, SC and WC both used them to organize, chill, discuss, socialize.
Now, you need to be a part of discord or website to group up. But regardless even if they banned all the spam, the lobby system is so busted and poorly designed nobody would use it.
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well if the issue is the chat lobby is completely unusable because of spam … ignoring it really doesn’t change anything… its what we are doing now.
i would like to be able to use it. and i don’t know any d2:R discord channels.
and at this point tears of the kingdom is in 5 days soo, not going to get into this season anyways
Ok so the issue is the lobby chat spam, not the fact that other people have things?
The stock market isn’t a game, tho. Are you saying that you play Diablo like you would investing in stocks?
Half? No wonder no one I know plays the game. I thought the game was about killing things. How is trading fun?
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My point is even at optimal functionality nobody would really use the regular in game channels. They’re poorly designed and not useful.
As for the discords, I joined a bunch on D2R launch there are a lot of cool groups out there, but there is 0% chance I would have ever found them in game.
you’re the reason we have diablo immortal instead of a good diablo 2 sequel.
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Um… okay? I like D3, and I think D4 will be okay.
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Because Blizzards here don’t really care for the integrity of their games. To turn a phrase here, they may say they do, but they don’t.
In fact, it would greatly benefit them if you were to get sick of the state of D2R and you decided to purchase D4.
And yes, I realize there’s a contradiction… as in, why would I buy yet another game from the same company and hope things will be different?
Well, there are enough addicts here, that suffer from cognitive dissonance to believe that.
I have witnessed this mentality first hand since the fall of WoW with Cataclysm, SC2, D3 and the rest of the titles that followed.
you have a cash grab game with many aspects being unfinished
“Don’t worry, you may not enjoy this current expansion, but the next will be better!”
“The current patch is broken, but by the time it hits live, it will be fixed!”
the patch hits live and it’s still broken…
“fool, don’t you know they need some time to fix it once it goes live?”
the patch remains broken 6 months after release…
“oh, come on. stop being fixated. yeah, we know it’s bad, but the next expansion will fix it!”
or in this current case:
"That’s what you get for asking for a 20+ year old game to get remastered.
It cannot be fixed! Stop being a stuck up, just buy and play Diablo 4 instead!
Just buy another game from the same company and know, that there will be no issues that cheapen the experience, none whatsoever!"
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