Those particular pieces of equipment aren’t exactly a sticking point but a ladder is a pretty clean slate. It will be a while before torches come down in price and the budget equipment lives up to that name. It’s certainly not you’ll get this on a through or after a few hours of work with that bowazon after clearing the game. It’s representative of a non-casual time investment.
While I agree, we know that’s not the case. If you want to address the overall difficulty of players 8 or any player X, singling out one build isn’t the way to do it. It’s not even a good start.
My testing doesn’t assume a fresh ladder season, but current non-ladder.
To offset this too, single player monsters don’t suffer the 25% life penalty like on battlenet so I’m sure the exact same budget bowazon build on battlenet without those unique charms will still clear cows quicker anyway.
And honestly really, we’re not talking about whether this build is budget or not but to what degree this build is budget. No matter how you slice it, this build is budget if it can be gotten for less than the cost of say a Gul rune. It would take just a few days for this build to pay for itself, and something quite easily achievable even for a casual player.
It clears up quite a bit what you’re saying, but it looks like your points are best served in “general” for non-ladder side effects rather than the PTR ladder test forum.
I’d suggest that Um or less is budget if you’re starting with nothing. The “pay for itself in a few days or less” sounds a lot like twinking rather than working up from scratch with this bowazon you’re suggesting in OP. Gul is only seems like a budget deal if you have another character providing for this one until it can farm like that other build.
There aren’t any PTR ladder or non-ladder specific forums. These synergy changes pertain to the game in the current PTR, which offers both ladder and non-ladder testing.
I don’t really understand the further comments about whether this is budget or not. It doesn’t take a long time to make this bowazon build even from scratch, and once you start farming cows with it, it’s a matter of days before you can find these high-mid or even high runes or… things of equivalent worth.
Great work onadroig, you put a lot of effort into it, i don’t have the time to do an study like yours and prepare videos, but after trying the 2.4 PTR I feel that multishot bowazons still needs more damage, I can clean cows or chaos (but immunes) much much very fast with other char builds (using multiple target skills) than with multishot bowazon. So in my opinion bowazon multishot still needs more damage (for example removing the 3/4 damage cap added to that 12% sinergy).
They are doing the right steps, but it still needs a little more work to be perfect.
I agree with you that Onadroig did a great job with all this testing.
However I don’t agree that bowazon needs even more buffs to bring her up to other build power levels
In my view, Blizzard’s goal should be to tone down those overpowered builds
This iteration was called the 2.4 PTR Ladder Test.
Hours is a better measure than days unless you mean 48+ hours of grinding, which again doesn’t sound very casual.
Essentially, it sounds like you want the game to be harder for physical bowazons, even though relatively speaking she feels more like an A/B build than an S build even after the current round of buffs.
Blizzard introduced more balance changes in this iteration as well. Shouldn’t these be tested, or are you saying that only those who will play ladder will be exposed to the 2.4 updates?
Actually, these 2.4 changes are overall a net buff from 2.3. This thread is specifically about the synergy updates only. I’ve made a separate thread about the immolation arrow changes.
It is absolutely needed as bowzons are horrific in budget gear currently. Go compare her to the meta builds, they take off more easily and can clear p8 way more quickly.
Yes I do. Stop arguing that things don’t need buffs when there are a select few builds that dominate the game. What two characters do the majority of players make for a ladder reset? Maybe now with these buffs, we will see people branching out and rolling different characters than just sorcs and paladins. Sticking to the old balancing is dumb.
This discussion has long been settled in other threads.
The problem with what your suggesting is the game be made to be easy on players 8 for all builds. If you want to play a game this easy, go play Yoshi’s island.
Nobody said I wanted to play an easy game, but I don’t want a build to suck. The Amazon hits like a wet noodle in budget gear currently. You may enjoy barely doing damage, but why would I want to? You can see the bowzon needed buffs by the lack of people that play her. Go play original D2LoD if you wanna be stuck in the past. It’s about time bowzons get some love.
Read the suggestions above and in all the other threads about nerfing the meta builds instead. If blizzard have no intention of nerfing such builds, they would have gone out and said it already and would have buffed all the other builds into the sky.
They have already said they aren’t going to do any nerfs. So yes, we should compare other builds to the top tier builds. They don’t have to match their power, but they can become an option now.
They aren’t going to do it at all. They’ve always said we can play the same builds like hdins that we know and love. Most people are highly against nerfs also. I wouldn’t mind bringing the top tier builds down a peg or two though. Just don’t see it happening.
2.4 bowa will be fine. You can’t expect every build to conform to hammers in budget gear. It would make multiplayer a joke. If anything, they could scale ladder difficulty higher in multiplayer, such as an additional 10% hp scaling on monsters players 3 and higher for a 60% buff at p8. This wouldn’t affect solo, coop with a single friend, or offline so, but would serve to promote teamwork in mass player games rather than caster BIG DAMAGE AOE.
I think bowas will be okay in 2.4 now. The OP was saying they don’t need the synergy buffs though. They do. Maybe now we will see more character variation during the reset.