This crap right here is why we need a thumbs down button.
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Well, theyâre not in charge of SSF because SSF isnât a thing that is going to be implemented. As for worrying about them, I stopped, theyâre going to keep messing up the game it is what it is. It really does suck they they have almost no understanding of the game that the users are playing and have no idea how to improve the base game without making sweeping poor choices.
Hey youre the one that made up crap first pal⌠I just piled on your lead.
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Yeah this is the sad part⌠there are plenty of players on these forums that have forgotten more about D2 than any of the devs have ever known. There are plenty that would love for their feedback to be taken (maybe it is, who knows) as much as the few streamers who seem to have the devs ears.
They clearly dont play the game they work on as much as they should, they need to get their thumb on the D2 pulse a bit more, but right now, they are too focused on D4 which is a far cry from resembling D2.
You mean like the D3 devs back in the day not knowing what a herald of zakarum was and wasnât sure if that was a good item or not? The community manager tried to ask the question as if they knew what the item was and then the other 2 were like uhhh idk what that is, I only played sorc. Like bro what?
Are the D4 vs D2R devs transferable on teams? I thought they were separate entities.
Regardless it isnât even just listening to player feedback, but listening to good players feedback that is the issue. Balancing a game around idiots is a part of the reason why SC2 wound up being so much worse than BW. See they did an attempt to fix the 99 grind by making TZ. A valid complaint was that the 99 grind was BS and I agree. I never found the race of achieving 99 to be valuable, but for those who wanted to do it, it was just a bad event. When they released TZ, they responded to feedback of the idiots who had never played a decent character crying that hammerdin was OP. Now that is true to some degree, but how they attempted to bring other classes in line was to bring a charm into the game to get rid of immunities, but that wasnât exactly what made hdin OP. There are many factors, only one of which was that most of the map was immunity free for them. But just because a fire druid can break immunitiy now, doesnât suddenly make that class good. And a light sorc w/o a sunder charm sticking to areas with no light immune monsters will still do better than a fire druid who can farm the entire map. They might not win the 99 race, but that wasnât the whole complaint. They just donât understand the game, neither do most people. They complain about drop rates, when they donât know what theyâre doing in game using some meme build doing 2 chaos runs an hour isnât going to find you a bunch of stuff. But regardless nothing will change, these devs were put in charge of a remake for a reason. It was because they couldnât be trusted to create new content.
Exactly. And Iâm not even saying that they need to know everything right. But they should know about their 20 year old meta. They simply donât. But how do they find out? They could ask, but then again you wind up with crap like the PTR responses that say hdin was too OP. It was, but that wasnât a complete picture. But honestly I donât think they have/need to care. Theyâre just going to keep putting out lame changes, and banning bots after they made profit, then put the game on sale to make money. So nothing will ever change.
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Doesnt seem like it the way Pez talks⌠Stating they are under the gun for D4, had to rush out some runewords for a PTR and havnt even worked or completed work on bugs and such⌠Just reads like its all one team to me.
Exactly, anyone who had played diablo 2 at that point and was interested in Diablo 3 would know what a HoZ is and what it did. The fact that 3 of them didnât and were in an interview Q/A session was sad.
See and if it was the case that you had no devs that knew about the meta or how the game worked, then shouldnât you stick to your job with D2R? That is just simply copy and paste the game as it was rather than pretend you know best. That or at least contact some very knowledgeable people about changes and listen to well developed thoughts. A PTR feedback where noobs click buttons and whine isnât the proper forum to make sweeping changes to a 20 year old game.
nah, its on your own head and your own crap
so long in this topic
5 ( Ionz22, HappyFeet, Hanz, b1ck, WazaDave)seems to want it
5 ( ODT, Kallie, Bugles, Revenant309, Sio) seems to be against
5 ( SolidSnek, Vvin, Orcinus, DizzyDwarf, MicroRNA) dont care or didnt adressed the subject
lets keep counting and see what happens
than we do a projection with a margin of error
Youâll never find an accurate number of how many people want it. I would argue that as few people want SSF, there are even less that donât want it. And the extensive majority 99%+ that donât give a single F about it. Obviously in a thread about the subject at hand you wouldnât be able to find those who skip that thread because it isnât important to them.
thats why margin of error exists
i already adressed this point with a nice âstreet surveyâ analogy, remember?
Yes I remember your analogy. Meanwhile Iâve already addressed this. This forum as a whole, doesnât really have enough players to even come to a decent conclusion about how people feel about SSF. It also has a bias of those who desire SSF being that weirdo purist mentality would draw people to a site like this one. Meanwhile taking count on a site like JSP would give you the number needed, but also wouldnât be an accurate representation of the entire player base because those who go there, went to that site to trade, so chances are they donât care about SSF in the least. So any stat could at best show that out of the tiny amount of people here there is an even small amount of people who care enough to even post in this thread, which is far outnumbered by a site which while it does have bias dominates in numbers that wouldnât care about SSF. Youâd have zero accurate way of polling SSF desire here on JSP on reddit not even close and it doesnât matter that a few passerbys on this forum might care about SSF because theyâd be outnumbered by the many on another site that definitely donât care.
Regardless there are 10 of you who want to race in your own ladder, and since Blizzard will never make a SSF ladder, yall should probably make arrangements to compete when next ladder drops.
This is why youâre hard to discuss anything with. Margin of error would be drastic in any poll youâd hold here. Less than 1% of 1% probably of 1% of the people who play D2R even know of this forum. Your margin of error if you were rounding would be the entire population of the game lmfao.
and thats why we need some statistics
7% of margin is a very high one and would be enough
That isnât how either forums bias would operate. Literally you couldnât even get non-biased results from either forum. The margin of error in any poll taken here and for that point probably even on JSP is far to high to be an accurate representation of how the community feels about the game. By and large most wouldnât care about SSF, and largely wouldnât play it as far as I assume. Those that mess around with SP chars and NL chars do so after ladder dies out. Some are die-hard SP fans and would probably enjoy messing around on SSF ladder online as long as their reason for playing SP wasnât that they didnât need internet for the game. Reagrdless your margin of error would never be anywhere near 7%. Even PTRâs feedback would be much higherâŚ
Edit I still donât understand BoA or how botting on D3 and SSFL would be the same thing. That at least is something we could talk about that you could make a valid point in. Iâve asked a few times and youâve yet to acknowledge. Iâm not sure why though. Either your statement originally was BS or you donât know what you were talking about. I doubt you missed me asking twice. Why are you ignoring it?
any analysis would take multiple sources of opinions into account
7% is a very high one for a pool with over a thousand opinions
like this one (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bZDRPXHVjNCh5mrGBwlkyG1JOWYfxLg-/view)
that was posted in many places
LOL why, so you can ignore those and continue to spin your own narrative in whichever way works to justify your wants?
It wont happen. D2 is a trading game and shared loot system. Plenty of other games to satisfy that for you, D2 does not need to adjust for the minority who want it. If the majority wanted it and the Devs agreed, they would do it. 23 years and counting, still havnt done it.
CHECK MATE.
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You would lose on population bias to those who donât care about SSF. You couldnât take an accurate poll on these forums. Even if EVERY user on this forum wanted SSF, the numbers of those who donât give a thought about SSF on JSP alone would make any numbers from this forum round down to zero. You would also be neglecting all of asia for the most part where I assume most of the copies of the game were sold.
giving people more options is a narrative?
imagine someone saying this in 64
just play your game and let people be in peace
i still own you a fake cake
if they dont care, their opinion is irrelevant, just like those who chose to not vote in any political election
Dude, shut up and take your own advice. I and many others are playing this game AS IT PLAYS RIGHT NOW, and you want to change it for your own taste.
let us play Diablo 2 in peace and go play the game you want elsewhere or continue to play offline where you have access to SSF and Players X and whatever mod you want.