I mean some of he best gameplay in video games tends to come from “bugs” that become “features.” Many of those games were effectively ruined or less loved after being patched.
What often happens is patches just reduce the skill level required by replacing it with something simpler.
I mean look how long old game speedruns endure due to bugs. Most people won’t give a rat’s rear about the new constantly patched live server stuff in 20 years. (Not that any of it will even be playable.
Some games do a good job at keeping live content relevant long term. Guild Wars 2 with it’s horizontal progression is one such case. FF14 being story driven and with rewards for rerunning low level content, people are still doing the old content because of the story. I think another good example is oldschool runescape, the updates add up really well and the classic quests are still relevant. Blizzard just isn’t good at it.
Not really talking about MMOs here to be fair.
Then again why people enjoy GW2 and FF14 is just so beyond me I have no idea. Tried both due to pressure from friends. Had a miserable experience with them.
I did like FF14 more than GW 2 at least, but that was only because the dungeons were kind of okay in the WoW formula way of way of being “kind of okay.”
GW2 no idea, I don’t think I’ve ever hated an MMO more.
Diferent people enjoy different things. Wouldn’t the world be boring if everyone liked the same stuff? To go back to the topic of this thread, this is also why people play Diablo 2 in different playstyles. GW2 is enjoyed by people who like casual horizontal progression games, and jumping puzzles. FF14’s true endgame is fashion and housing, it also appeals to the “cozy game” kinda mentality (though it has some brutally difficult optional content too).
did you know that you can carry multiple stacks with you? also you can find non-titans with increasesd stack and\or replensih. And you don’t have to LF every single monster… CS and LS are decent skills.
Absolutly not exploit.
Yeah thats exploit. But what is your issue?its guide for people who struggle to kill them. You dont need that exploit to kill them. Its just tip how if you cant do it normaly.
Thats your opinion. Game wasnt designed that way tho.
I seriously doubt that. Are you saying guide nowhere mentions you should be using mercenary?
I just hammer them and swap to redemption to remove their corpses and then swap back to whatever aura gives my merc the most damage and watch netflix while he solo rest of wave 2 (does go quick with obedience tho) Could spam holy bolt if you have some + to skill to make it actually do damage.
Wave 2, maggot lair and to some extent arcane sanctuary are the only obstacles for hammerdin and not even big obstacles at that.
All I’m saying is that those guides are more like speedrunning tips than general leveling for beginners. Maybe my title is unfair and yeah I don’t think that they are completely bad but they can lead to confusion and disappointment.
Even recently I saw person here asking for help with Sorc because he went with mainstream Blizzard only build he saw all over internet and people recommended him going hybrid build instead.
Dunno what guide he got, the maxroll one is a meteorb build.
It does. Straight from the maxroll pally leveling guide:
" Blessed Hammer only faces 1 monster that is Immune to Magic that we need to kill. Wave 2 in the Throne of Destruction spawns Unravelers. Patch 2.4 removed the best way to deal with them, as Holy Bolt has lost its synergy from Blessed Hammer. Lure away the Skeleton mages and kill them out of revive-range of the Unravelers. Then move behind the Unravelers and use Charge to knock them out of the room. If you target the Boss Achmel first, then his minions might follow him out of the Throne."
Sorc leveling guide says to focus on Blizzard and skip Cold immunes and use Meteor only on ancients.
Ye as I said:
Knocking mobs out of throne room doesn’t mean killing them as quest requires.
While we’re at it I think it’s not that hard to turn Hammerdin into Smiter with 1 point Fanaticism and some easy to get Crushing Blow items. Maybe it could be used for magic immunes.
But no, guide writer decided to recommend using a bug to deal with it instead of following game’s intention and quest description.
I remember in D3 that you could get banned for exploits if you knew specific way to make them work before they were getting fixed.
If a game gives you options, must be an exploit. I only play games where you move a gray blob along a straight line until that line ends. I’m an honest gamer.
Because it’s an easy and effective way to deal with them, and quicker than just waiting around for your merc to kill them.
As you should. It makes no sense to try to fight immunes as a sorc.
Yes it’s a hassle, and you’re taking a precious inventory space needlessly. My point is that switching too early is not optimal, and guides are optimal. Do whatever you want.
I think you’re mistaking a leveling guide for a walkthrough guide.
A walkthrough guide would be a guide on how to complete the campaign, quests and so on.
A leveling guide is simply a guide on how to level up a character quickly. They’re not the same objective.
You mean the game where you get powerleveled from 1 to 70 in 5 minutes by sitting on the entrance of a nephalem rift while someone else runs it for you?
Yeah that game.
Bannable exploits out there were about builds functionality and doing unintended amounts of damage allowing players to score a lot higher in Greater Rift ranks.
In D2 competition in ladder is about reaching 99 first. When they’re going through acts I’m sure they’re using those Throne Room exploits. Now I wonder if it should be bannable too. Legit player got no chance in competing if he doesn’t know those speedrunning exploits. Otherwise them guides might as well recommend using bots or some multiple instances of D2 to fill gap for /players8 benefit
But I’m probably going too extreme here. I’m not really a fan of bans for exploits. Would prefer just fixing them then resetting ladder.
They would have no chance to compete regardless of those particular techniques being used unless they’re playing on group. The “race to 99” is not solo friendly.