Hustle runeword

[Kabryxis-1348]

think that might be the first thing you’ve ever said that makes sense and i can agree with. except mybe “give advice”, calling your messages giving advice is a slight bit of a reach. but otherwise i agree

[CrazyMage-215274]

@Slomo4shO-1943

@JPRG74-1849

Probably 3 seconds at most. Dont try proc it with zerk and use dbl swing.

Thanks for clarification that you don’t how probability works.

@JPRG74-1849

Also i cant test it because making an edited item with BoS on strike doesn’t work yet. Need to wait till ptr.

You don’t need to test it. If you know frames per attack, you can calculate attacks per second.

At a 5% success rate, you need a minimum of 14 swings to have a ~50% probability (51.23% to be precise) of the proc activating.

At 25 swings its 72.3%

At 50 swings its 92.3%

At 100 swings its 99.4%

You can literally swing 1 time and have it proc or go 100 swings straight and not have it proc.

Averages times for success is what?

@JPRG74-1849

You do know dbl swing exists right?

So now you want 2 weapons to prebuff

You need 20 swings which hit on average to proc. Let’s say hit chance is 75%. The expected amount of hits to proc would be:
(100/5) / 0.75 = 27 hits
And I am not regarding block chance which some monsters have.

[KidSquidley-1693]

Hmmm now I go hustle pre buff and CoH on my zeal sorc… plus metamorphosis mark of bear prebuff.

Ladder Season 3 sorcs OP calling it

[Slomo4shO-1943]

@CrazyMage-215274

It depends on skill. Double swing and frenzy would proc BoS in reasonable amounts of time but both skills are inferior to WW and Berserk.
For a wolf, it would be fury, for a paladin, zeal

True. There are other factors in prebuffing than just attack speed. Running to and from the monsters. Load times. Etc.

It doesn’t really matter if zeal can land 4 attacks if 1 hit kills the trash mob. The total number of executable attacks is what matters.

@CrazyMage-215274

for an amazon, strafe in a bow.

I have seen no indication that this can be made in bow…

@CrazyMage-215274

You need 20 swings which hit on average to proc.

That’s not how probability works. Every swing is an independent event

That’s like saying you only need 2 coin flips to land heads…

[JPRG74-1849]

If you’re going to use hustle, no shiite you’re going to use another utility weapon on swap.

What’s hilarious is you moaning about the one variable that is likely to be changed during ptr (the ctc proc chance).

[Slomo4shO-1943]

@JPRG74-1849

If you’re going to use hustle, no shiite you’re going to use another utility weapon on swap.

Right, because every class can dual wield like an Assassin or Barb…

[JPRG74-1849]

Who cares about any other class. Barbs are all that matter

[CrazyMage-215274]

@Slomo4shO-1943

@CrazyMage-215274

It depends on skill. Double swing and frenzy would proc BoS in reasonable amounts of time but both skills are inferior to WW and Berserk.
For a wolf, it would be fury, for a paladin, zeal

True. There are other factors in prebuffing than just attack speed. Running to and from the monsters. Load times. Etc.

It doesn’t really matter if zeal can land 4 attacks if 1 hit kills the trash mob. The total number of executable attacks is what matters.

@CrazyMage-215274

for an amazon, strafe in a bow.

I have seen no indication that this can be made in bow…

@CrazyMage-215274

You need 20 swings which hit on average to proc.

That’s not how probability works. Every swing is an independent event

That’s like saying you only need 2 coin flips to land heads…

No, that’s exactly how probability works. I said amount of hits in average. And yes, you expect a head after 2 coin flips in average. It doesn’t mean you get a head every time you toss a coin 2 times. The more you toss your coin the more you’ll get an average of 1head per 2 coin tosses over time. Each coin flip is independent, the base probability doesn’t change, we’ve got a binomial outcome. Average expectation for a binomial even is:
number of tries * probability of success

[Slomo4shO-1943]

@JPRG74-1849

Barbs are all that matter

Most definitely, only class that should be required run with an entirely inventory of prebuff gear to be viable…

[Teksuo-1449]

i didnt get to snoop on the new runewords but i feel like most of them will be left out in the dust. ppl get 90+ and gear up pretty quick these days.

and i assume they wont beat enigma/coh and the other high end stuff.

im just talking through my hat since i didnt actually check them out heh

[Slomo4shO-1943]

@CrazyMage-215274

Average expectation for a binomial even is:
number of tries * probability of success

What do you think these values were?

@Slomo4shO-1943

At a 5% success rate, you need a minimum of 14 swings to have a ~50% probability (51.23% to be precise) of the proc activating.

At 25 swings its 72.3%

At 50 swings its 92.3%

At 100 swings its 99.4%

@CrazyMage-215274

No, that’s exactly how probability works. I said amount of hits in average.

Sure, if you plan on infinite trials.

@CrazyMage-215274

And yes, you expect a head after 2 coin flips in average. It doesn’t mean you get a head every time you toss a coin 2 times.

If you ever just toss the coin until you get the desired outcome, than the probability of successfully getting heads is 50% in 1 flip and 75% in 2 flips…

[SirEyck-1373]

I’m gonna pick the pettiest hill to die on but why did they have to call it HUSTLE?
How about Swift… Haste… or surely any other word that sounds a little more medieval than hustle.

[Childe-1683]

There’s an amusing parallel here with hustle culture, juggling multiple prebuffs (gigs) to achieve what others can do with much less effort (inheritance, etc.).

But yeah, it’s kind of a weird name for a Diablo runeword.