A lot of players prefer to play the game without the (arguably) overpowered runewords and oskill builds like teleport hammerdins.
I would argue anything stacking whether gems, runes, or anything else will lower the value a lot over time. Everyone will hoard all the low level ones that we used to pass by to save space. So no one will need them as much. It would be nice but no one will look for low runes anymore because we have stacks of them now.
All these changes have consequences whether being good for convenience outweighs the bad idk.
If Blizzard is absolutely sure there is no possible way of duping EVER, I’d be fine with stacking runes/gems. I’d hate for stacking to come, then some working dupe method is able to dupe stacks of high runes. At least now with the inability to stack, dupers are gated by how many duped runes they can create.
I’m less worried about gems even if there was a dupe method, but still think of how many rolls someone could do on those Hell Baal grand charms.
I wouldn’t see any problem in allowing stacks of 10? for up to normal gems, as they are the ones commonly used for the dumb gem requirement for cubing up runes… Then again the gem requirement for cubing runes could simply be removed to save us the headache. “TASRED”
Keys are stackable. You can find amazing items in certain locked chests. Keys must be extremely valuable then. I vote that we remove the ability to buy keys from any NPC and that they should be a rare find from defeating monsters.
Also, your generalization that “everyone” will hoard low-level runes and that “nobody” will need them (as much) is exactly that- a generalization- and a bad one, at that. People already hoard runes. That’s not new. People already hoard gems. That’s not new, either. People will hoard literally anything. I had a stash completely stocked with Full Rejuvenation Potions. Yes. Full Rejuvenation Potions. The notion that people will no longer look for low-level runes is silly. People look for things when they need them. When your stack is gone, you look for more. There is no consequence to this other than it being convenient for everybody and anybody who says, “Waaah, this is divergent from classic Diablo 2 and I don’t like it!”, go be a stick in the mud somewhere else.
Absolutely, classic was great. I’m kind of hoping some of the old classic parties show up back in the old channels when this stuff goes live. I’d love to run some classic with all of the people that used to run in the deeds channel if any are still around.
It removes a part of inventory management and it removes low-level rune and gem value for multiplayer. I used to skip low level runes after getting a few, also stopped collecting gems after stocking up a mule. Wasn’t worth the time to combine/mule/town trip. This will severly change with stacking runes and gems. People will hoard. I know i would.
It will only hurt unexperienced players though, they will have a harder time trading for gear.
This is malarkey. Inventory-management is still present. You are still devoting slots to gems and runes. It does not affect the value of anything. You are just saying that because you read it somewhere else and there’s no proof whatsoever that they would lose any of their inherent online computer game “value”. Also, they have relatively little-to-no “value”, as is, because they are as common as dirt, so I’m not sure why you or literally ANYBODY else would care that an Eld Rune or a Chipped Topaz is suddently “worth less”.
Spoiler: It’s worth exactly the same. I can know just stack X amount of them in one spot. God, convenience sounds terrible. Also, people already hoard items. Who. Cares.
And how exactly does stackable gems or runes hurt inexperienced players…? How does this make them have a harder time trading for gear at all? Nobody was trading any gear worth anything for gems and low-level runes anyway.
I’ve been saying that since february. I do infact have some experience in the game, mostly on ladder.
Spirit packs, insight packs, 40pgs for um-ist, low gems for cubing. All these trades will be gone.
People did actually trade these things alot, and it will mostly hurt unexperienced players who aren’t able to farm efficiently in hell.
You’ll get your proof on release.
Cool, I played on the Ladder for way more time than I care to admit, too. The value of gems and runes still wouldn’t be diminished if they were stackable. You aren’t changing the rarity of them. You aren’t changing what recipes they’re used in. That’s just flat-out wrong.
The amount of inventory space any item takes up does not dictate its worth with the exception of charms. Maybe. Gems and low-level runes are still virtually worthless and being stackable doesn’t change that. The value of Runeword “packs” and whatever amount of perfect gems you think you can trade for an Um through Ist rune is an agreement between traders. It is not static and stacking gems and runes would just make trading for this crap easier because I wouldn’t have to manually move 40 gems into a trade screen. Again, convenience sure sounds terrible.
Seems like you haven’t heard of inflation. Everyone will have a near infinite amount of low runes and gems. This is why limited inventory space is a good thing, because it limits the amount of things people can hoard, which effectively stops inflation.
I get that stacking them would be a nice feature for you, and many others. But it does negatively impact the game, and the economy. You need to see past your tunnel vision of desires, and look at the big picture.
Most people expected 10 tabs, we got 3… now we’re looking for other ways to adjust to why we’re going to have to waste 2 full tabs on runes and gems… I mean it’s nice, but it could be nicer.
People like you lower the bar for others… set your standards higher and grow a spine.
Please enlighten me why would anyone (beside Charsi) want your gems if they have tons themselves?
crafting, more gems = more crafting.
Because purists throw a tantrum for every sensible change. They would rather have you make GemMuleTwenty and GemMuleThirty.
Don’t listen to all the purists who will bash you for bringing this great improvement to the game, they are a vocal minority, over 80% of the players are in favour of this change
I’m semi-purist and I wouldn’t mind gem/rune stacking… However I do have a great concern about the duping problem, which is why I’m against the idea unless Blizzard is 100% sure that duping is not possible EVER.
The possibility of dupes with rune stacks would quickly wreck the game economy.
That’s probably the ONLY legit criticism against gem / rune stacking. But I’m of the belief they can pay special attention to it to prevent people from taking advantage of it.
I don’t trust Blizzard to pay ‘special attention’ to it. I’d be more satisfied with a 100% foolproof way of preventing dupes without human monitoring/intervention.
Yeah, now that Blizzard has taken away our ability to have infinite mules, I think gem and rune stacking is the lesser of two evils, but like you say, they have to have extreme confidence in their ability to completely eliminate dupes, or it will destroy the game.
You are not changing the rarity of them, thats correct, however was never the point. The point is that the gems/runes being PICKED UP and STORED will go ten or hundred fold. Just because singular people hoarded like this anyway without them being stackable, doesnt mean majority did. I didnt and so didnt many more people. With them being stackable, there is NO reason for everyone to hoard them because there is no convenience barrier.