Stay naive and pressed. Welcome to the world of modern rpgs, this is same as all of them. I know just one individual who runs HUNDREDs of bots alone and he makes a nice profit from flipping FG for $$$, he pays a monthly license fee for that one d2r bot you can easily bring up using google… now imagine all the chinese farmers who do the same…if you interact with those d2jsp sellers with stupid amount of items, you will find many if not most are chinese because the exchange rate from usd to yuan is so good it is a solid full time job for many out there
- D2r supposedly has around 60k active players at the start of a season. Since it takes like 3-4 hours to get into hell difficulty at this point that’s mostly a non factor
- Let’s assume half of those players get to hell in those few hours, so 30k players
- Looking at high rune drop rates in hell off any random monster you have:
– vex: 1:500k
– ohm: 1:500k
– Lo: 1: 800k
– sur: 1:700k
– ber: 1:1 million
– jah: 1:1 million
Now, if we assume that:
– 1 jah = 1 jah
– 2 ber= 1 jah
– 4 sur = 1 jah
– 8 lo = 1 jah
– 16 ohm = 1 jah
– 32 vex = 1 jah
Then we can conclude that, for every 1 million monsters killed in the world, you will find:
- 1 jah
- 1 ber
- 1.4 sur
- 1.25 Lo
- 2 ohm
- 2 vex
which adds up to 2.2 jah per 1 million monsters killed.
Now that is only off random monsters, if you are doing cows, you are getting around double that as the drop rates in cows for runes are about twice as good. Cows are pretty popular to do and relatively easy early in ladder due to have no immunities and such typically to worry about. So lets say that 30k players are playing in hell, and 25% of them are doing cows. So…
- 7.5k players see 4.4 jah per 1 million cows killed
- 22.5k players see 2.2 jah per 1 million monsters killed
How many monsters can the average player kill in an hour? Low density areas are probably seeing around 200-500 per hour, with higher density areas being around 500-1000. Lets go with just the LOWER end numbers to really show you what we are looking at here.
Cows are definitely a high density area. So we figured that it takes 4 hours to get into hell, and so 20 hours are left in the 1st 24 hours of ladder. So how many monsters do those players kill in those 20 hours?
- 7.5k players kill 75,000,000 cows
- 22.5k players will kill 90,000,000 monsters
That amounts to:
- 330 jah from cows
- 198 jah from not cows
528 jah total in the first 24 hours of ladder across the world.
So yeah, seeing 12 jahs going on d2jsp in the first 24 hours, is MORE than possible. That’s enough jahs in the world to have 44 different 12 packs. Yeah, this is spread out across many players. But the point is, that it is very possible to easily get this many jahs out in the world without even botting.
This is also assuming everyone is playing on players 1, which is not true, and many of these 12 jah packs are from farming groups that all get together and share the loot and funnel the good stuff to 1 person who then gives everyone all the stuff they need.
I would be surprised if you DIDN’T see enigmas and infinity on day 2. The main point here is, yeah, rune drop rates are rough when you look at a single player. But you need to look at it on the global scale of all players playing the game at any given moment, and you’ll realize that having 1000+ jahs created every day isn’t all that shocking on a global scale.
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except it doesn’t work like that, because not every one of those 1 mil monsters can drop those runes. also, it’s not like rolling a 6 side dice where each number has an equal chance to be rolled.
the roll chance in D2R in not random, it’s game-seed based. so in order to roll a LO for example you need to have the correct seed (to have LO spawn-able in the world) and kill the correct monster to which the LO was assigned to, which could be Rakanishu in act one; but if you are farming in act 5… tough luck.
so no, the calculation is not as simple as you make it to be.
Sure not every million monsters will drop that item, but that is statistics. When we are talking about killing hundreds of millions of monsters, or billions over the course of even the first week, statistics average it out to be more correct.
Some ladders maybe 5x as many jahs are created in the first 24 hours, some ladders maybe its 1/5th. That is statistics. But as the numbers get larger and larger, it averages out to those million monsters killed = 1 jah,
Are u assuming that ppl play for 24h a day? In Eu ladder started 2 am. Some ppl also have work. Obv we dont have the numbers but i doubt plenty of ppl play a huge amount within the first 24h.
No of course not, but as one region goes to bed, another is waking up and playing. The average player count might shift a little and some regions are bigger and some are smaller, but that average count probably remains the same. For example, it probably starts at 80k+ then dips down to 40k, then moves back up to 60k, and unfortunately we don’t have exact numbers. Do you think the entire game just shuts down for 8 hours while you sleep?
Sure the Lo was assigned to Rakanishu, but you’re farming in act 5. But Ber was assigned to the throne room and sur was assigned to some random mob in Shenk.
The way you phrased that doesn’t work, sure it is accurate, but you don’t know one way or the other in any game and the drop chance still applies blindly.
imagine thinking people cant have enigma day 2… wow
me as one person has already found:
2x Lo
andariel’s vsiage within a 24 hour period after hitting hell.
there are no dupers there ARE tons of botter… the vast majority fo them are based in asia.
blizzard cant touch the botters.
if u want an enconomy. region lock asia, that will at the very least force the botters to split thier bots between 2 realms, making each slower, and force them to use higher ping.
stop asking for BS “solutions” that blizzard could never do. like “stopping botters” or “getting rid of jsp”
use your brain… think of what the current blizzard CAN do to improve the game with the extremely limited resources the d2:R team is given:
“allowing us to block/filter spam bots” ( done in LOD)
region lock asia
these are two HUGE things blizzard can do to help the game but all you people care about are your “perfect world” solutions like blizzard spending hundreds of thousands trying to fight and ban bots. or trying to remove the site that has kept d2 alive for 20 years where they have no legal grounds to do so.
Not at all but im aware of that during the 24h of ladder start very few ppl play a huge amount and even fewer ppl playing efficient and getting to hell even during the first 24h. Assuming half the ppl getting to hell in 3-4h is kind of wack imo. On top of that ppl dont farm hell efficiently early on either.
Yes there are plenty of jahs etc dropping during ladder start if u account all ppl playing.
What ppl are suspicious of is the ppl who sell 5+ jah, bers, 20+ ohm etc within 24h. Its not about a global effort but 1 seller achieving that within 24h. The ppl who are feeding the market with high runes.
Not everyone use d2jsp as there around 4k/5k ppl online on avrg. Also d2jsp covers several games so its not exclusive to d2r.
the easiest proof anyone needs to know there are no dupes: not a single person is complaining about notable items randomly poofing. we would be seeing lots of “unperm as perm” scammer accusations on a particular forum, as well as it just spilling out everywhere else. the fact that this forum isnt filled with “my item poofed!!!” threads is easy confirmation dupes don’t exist.
Well over the years there have been folks who pointed to random threads on here and on d2jsp where someone claimed a random enigma, anni, etc that they received in a trade poofed on them. When the logic is presented, they reply by saying these private dupers have over 9000 iq, they only dupe non perfect items and only in small amounts to avoid most clashing and poofing. Think Bravata is one of those clowns who claims this from time to time. Lmao, so they had no self control in d2 lod and but they are careful with d2r great joke 
remember when the game first launched for D2R? it was super fun no botting/duping/ PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY TRADING IN GAME? yeah no #$%^ the botting ruined the games future
yeah that was when blizzard that way would enforce thier TOS vs bots and they had a new detection method and all the botters were playing it safe, and also didnt have tons of keys… . and a whole setup going…most of season 0 was fine, season 1 was 3 months before the economy really crashed by season 2 ladder economy went down to 1 month… by season 3 it was a week and a half…
now prices dropped by 90% in less than a week, and they were half of starting by day 3.
and by prices i mean “FG”. as that basically is the marker for the d2 economy.