out of all the comments this one probably is the closest to true. Blizzard could easily create a trading site, I mean they could take the inspiration from PoE (its not like they haven’t done this with D4) but Bliz has said time and time again they actually Don’t want trading in the game. which is sad and a the real killer for a RPG game. (imo) they could also police bots a lot more, but they make too much money off them when they buy new accounts. lets not pretend its not a cycle of bot ban > game sale$$ > bots buy new acnts > bot ban > game sale$$ and etc…
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I am pretty sure they could do that indirectly by simply banning people who traded there. Few banned people would result in massive exodus from jsp.
I have never used JSP and I have no problems getting all the elite items by trading.
Why do you care what the next person has? It has no effect on your game except that you can leach off them in Baal runs until you get to level, and get the gear you need. When they get that enigma early on the ladder, I bet you’re right there glad to have someone tele games instead of walking the whole way.
The beauty of this game is that cheaters don’t effect you or your game. You game is what YOU make it. You can slow play the whole thing, find everything your self, get the ego boost and knowledge that comes along with it. Or you can buy what the web sites tell you to buy for a specific build and learn nothing, kill stuff fast, but know nothing about all the little details in the game, how to MF, craft, the satisfaction you get when that Jah, or Ber drops, when you grind it out and finally get that CTA made ect…
I see so many well equipped people and when they talk their clueless. Like they started yesterday, bought their items and got rushed to Hell Baal. They don’t know some of the most basic things about the game.
They suffer their own humility when they speak in chat and get corrected. Buying your stuff can handicap you. I don’t envy them, and I don’t mind them, they have no effect on my game.
jsp has to go bc it is simply rmt with a few more steps
but as stated by others, prices are a result from botting
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If they aren’t banning bots or RMT advertising characters constantly, they certainly aren’t going to go after the 3rd party player run sites that aren’t doing anything explicitly against TOS.
To clear up some misconceptions from people in this thread, JSP traders are like 100x more reliable than people using traderie or whatever other site people use. All this talk of Forum Gold accumulation over the years is close to explaining why: there is a process in JSP to deal with scammers. There are easily viewable trade histories for each player you make a trade with. You can see how many different people they’ve traded with, how many individual trades they’ve made, etc. If you get reasonably accused of being a scammer, your forum gold gets locked and an investigation happens by the moderators. Scammers can have their forum gold permanently locked. That may not mean much if you, for example, only had accumulated 100 FG before you scammed someone, but for many people with thousands or tens of thousands of FG, that’s a lot of time spent and wasted.
You also have a final option to prevent a scam there: request a mediator. Basically, an intermediary that ensures neither party gets scammed. They work for tips only. They take the item, and the forum gold, then transfer the trade to individual participants. This system is especially advantageous when you get items worth 1000s of FG. Those kinds of items you’d have to list on bnet as 80 jahs worth of value. You’d be trusting that the 2nd set of 40 jahs wasn’t a scam.
The final point is that the trading there is rapid fire. So many trades happen that you’re incentivized to actually be available when you make a listing, or else the people buying your stuff will move on to someone who is actually available. This is not true with other sites, I’ve found. I’ll make offers on stuff just listed and have to wait for hours before I get a response.
I’m not specifically commenting on the OP’s post or anything here, just wanted to clarify some misconceptions people had and give some reasons why reasonable people who otherwise wouldn’t use JSP might actually want to.
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bots are bad that’s my opinion
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I am afraid you may be right.
Who plays softcore and with players, anymore? Aren’t you all SSF HC already? Game is too old not to. Well?
y’all still beating this dead horse? how sad / SHUT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU K UP ALREADY
Weird, i dont know anyone being scammed on traderie but i know multiple people being scammed on jsp. Not to mention a lot of shady people on jsp who bend the rules so no, you are not right.
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so dont trade and just farm? why do you think you NEED to have all the godly items as fast as possible? you are creating your own frustration.
using jsp since 2007. I’m not a big trader but i still trade here and there. Had zero scam issue
Yeah sure but i have friends and it happened to them. Sure you can be extremely carefull , never go first and ask for mediator every time but you very well known thats not practical and its time consuming and also limiting as many people will not go first for same reason whyyou dont want to, they dont want to be scammed.
I used jsp for trading last season almost exclusively as experiment. I wasnt scammed, but i had fair share of fake offers, toxic and very rude people and shady people who try to pm you instead of posting in trade topic.
Its not very nice place to trade honestly. I have tried many ways to trade and trading over discord is far supperior than other methods, you can react and talk real time and make trade super fast, talk about price, maybe ask if guy has other things. From time perspective nothing can beat it.
Issue is that main trading discord is no longer good. The advantage of jsp is in big player base. So i understand why its very usefull place to trade. I still dont like it tho.
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Wasn’t specifically talking about traderie per se, just like I said in general the extremely high value items are much more worth it to trade on JSP. Think like, 2/20 crafted amulets with life/stats/all res. These things are realistically worth more than 40 jahs, and using the mediator process is more for those kinds of trades. On a site like traderie, if someone offers you 80 jahs, that’s two trades worth. You either risk 40 jahs by handing over your item first, or the other trader risks 40 jahs by handing them over first. Worst that happens there is that traderie bans one party, but that party still got their scam complete without risking anything. Any wealth they’ve accumulated over the months/years. You don’t necessarily request a mediator for every trade, you’ll get a feel for the regulars, and you can simply look at their trade history to see how often they trade. A person with a lot of transactions is going to be fairly trustworthy.
It’s all about risk really. You can get a free recording app like OBS for the smaller trades to minimize or prevent scams. Just screen record any trades you make, delete the video if the trade works out. Most people aren’t going to scam you over a Jah, they typically would have too much to lose if they’re caught scamming(Jah is worth like 30 FG, many people have thousands if not 10s of thousands of FG they’d stand to lose for a single scam).
ya vouch what Chris is saying. When you are doing classic trade (no 350k fgs trade), you can be 100% sure that guy with 90k fgs isnt going to scam you.
Same for people who have very old account generaly. The only time you should be somewhat vigilant is when trading with someone who is using a low fgs count recent account
As long as Diablo 2’s trade function remains as primitive as it has been for the past 23 years, JSP and other trade facilitators will continue to flourish. The main reason 3rd party trading exists is because it’s easier to find someone to trade with.
It’s as simple as that.
You dont know what you are talking about. d2jsp ruined in game trading. I played this game from the start and in game trading was fine even with bots. then d2jsp came out and messed it all up
No, its actualy you who do not know what you are talking about. JSP doesnt create any items, so it cant affect prices of items anyhow. Players/bots create items by finding them=lowering prices of items.
Like come on dude, learn basics of how market works.
traderie has a d2r trade area no money. item for item.
That being said the items requested are usually runes.
But P amethyst can get some stuff.
Which heavily limits it… No one can dispute that. Eventually, you will be left with your items and no one will have the items you want
What Blizzard should do is make their own version of it and reset the currency every ladder. Also don’t let anyone buy currency with real money. With those criteria in place, JSP is actually the best way to trade. Unfortunately they fill that demand since Blizzard won’t do it.