Bots, Duping, and New Economy

Yeah, He wants a more pleasant experience from a saturated market that can only be brought to us by botting. Hey I’m not saying this is an evil opinion. I just think the idea of an organic human economy is interesting and worth exploring. some of the most fun I have had in D2 is self found and in party trades. Feels like you earned it

Only a little bit more. Like, 10% more. Maybe 15%. That’s already slicing hundreds of hours off the hypothetical, purely mathematical grind.

This is also in-tune with the fact that seasons are now MUCH shorter, so it would make sense for the grind required to gear up to also be shorter.

If you can’t have fun without having the best of the best items than you won’t have fun with them either.

Bots are cancer

10-15% barely helps casuals at all. If that’s all you’re asking for you should much rather ask for a 500% buff on uniques and sets, casuals won’t make infinity during a ladder season either way.

Not with ladders reduced in length to the degree they were, no.

But 10-15% is pretty much all I would be asking for. Across the board, not just for runes, mind you. So uniques and sets as well.

500% is way too much and you know it. =P

Someone is abusing the report system ITT. There should be a button for this to flag, but reports are anonymous. Whichever moderator comes upon this needs to ban whoever is flagging posts that are not against the forum rules.

I think it is worth exploring and that botting/duping should be eliminated/reduced. I just think that many may have forgotten how rare some of the items in D2 were. I would like to see how things play out for a season or 2 before drop rate adjustments are potentially made.

It is interesting that the claim about project diablo 2 being about right for drop rates is already 3X (I think) higher than what D2R will be.

TBH I am fairly sure that Blizzard will be unable (or unwilling) to stop bots, so we will not get to see what a botless economy looks like in the first place.

Which is ultimately fine by me.

So you flagged them for disagreeing with you??? Got it

Not entirely true. False flagging or using a bunch of accounts to flag another poster when not warranted can lead to forum moderation for the culprit. For me, I tend to save my flags for what I consider clear cases that deserve it.

It takes multiple people to flag posts, and I don’t own multiple accounts. I value my ability to not be banned from Blizzard’s forums for doing exploitative things.

As for “false flagging” I can say with absolute certainty that in years I have never had that happen to me, to people who flagged me, or to anyone I know otherwise. You get five flags a day, if you waste them, you waste them. Moderators have to review it all regardless, so there’s always a human being making the call at the end of the process.

If you see a post get flagged it means multiple (I would assume 3+ but I don’t know for a fact) people reported them. If someone was abusing multiple accounts, they would get banned and the posts would get unflagged. If the flags are false, the posts will get unflagged. It will work itself out.

I’ll bet 5 dollhairs that this pleasant conversation wouldn’t be going on of D2:R was out. :stuck_out_tongue:

If bots and hackers are 100% gone «I doubt it will ever be 100% bot / hack free»
Because It’s online, every game have hackers aswell. Sadly enough!
Give it a couple ladder seasons so Vicarious Visions can decide after a few years.

But I only say If, I wouldn’t mind they increased the high rune drops a little bit.
Not very much, but a small percent.

D2:R have shorter ladder, I hope It has 4 months and not less.
But I prefer 6 months, because It’s Diablo II.

Well yeah. People would be playing.

Or people would be refunding in outrage over a pixelated face.

Either way the forums would have no reason to be very active.

There seems to be something to talk about in the diablo universe. The D3 PTR is now live, later this month we get the D4 quarterly update, a D2R beta in August…

Sure but I meant D2R specifically. The build/class forums would still be a active, there’d be feedback threads, but it wouldn’t be anything like this.

Right now it’s just a lot of angry impatient people chomping at the bit.

I highly highly doubt Blizzard will be able to stop bots.

What I think will happen is season 1 will probably be try hard bot ban season for Blizzard, and we’ll see the most legit economy we’ve ever seen to date. But after season 1 we will begin seeing a great increase in bots for several reasons. In the long haul, there is no way they will be able to stop botting.

It would require extra guys being paid a salary, who are using human AI, full time jobs, to be able to adequately keep botting under control. I highly doubt Blizzard is willing to pay anyone for doing that.

There’s only 1 thing that matters in this remaster. Its controlling the bots. Don’t even care about the 4k and amazons face.

Between shorter seasons, and IF botting, duping, pickit, etc are brought under control/eliminated so that the trade and rmt markets do no flood the economy, the game does not need increased drop rates. However, the game would need an ungated ladder only content so that those that wish to continue their character, and build the GG equipment, can do so in any time frame they want. The seasonal ladders would be more for the journey of what can you build/trade for in the limited time span/race to the top/reset economy, with maybe a theme thrown in for the incentive that wouldn’t affect non ladder play.

No, the math is very relevant. Drops as they are right now are based around the fact that bots and dupes exist. If those issues are lessened then drop rates by default become way too low.